RT Journal Article SR Electronic T1 Two notorious nodes: a critical examination of MCMCTree relaxed molecular clock estimates of the bilaterian animals and placental mammals JF bioRxiv FD Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory SP 2022.07.01.498494 DO 10.1101/2022.07.01.498494 A1 Graham E. Budd A1 Richard P. Mann YR 2022 UL http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2022/07/03/2022.07.01.498494.abstract AB The popularity of MCMCTree for Bayesian inference of clade origin timings has generated several recent publications with focal results considerably older than the fossils of the clades in question. Here we critically examine two such clades; the animals (with focus on the bilaterians) and the mammals (with focus on the placentals). Each example displays a set of characteristic pathologies which, although much commented on, are rarely corrected for. We conclude that in neither case does the molecular clock analysis provide any evidence for an origin of the clade deeper than what the fossil record might suggest. In addition, both these clades have other features (including, in the case of the placental mammals, proximity to a large mass extinction) that allow us to generate precise expectations of the timings of their origins. Thus, in these instances the fossil record can provide a powerful test of molecular clock methodology, and why it goes astray.Competing Interest StatementThe authors have declared no competing interest.